David Gest Is Not Dead But Alive With Soul Tour: A Tribute To David Gest And Billy Paul performed at The Albert Hall Nottingham on Wednesday 13th July 2016

Images and Review by Kevin Cooper

In a year when we have lost a number of famous names, David Gest was probably the most flamboyant of them all.

And whilst the David Gest Is Not Dead But Alive With Soul Tour was put together before his untimely death in April, this audience at the early show at The Albert Hall Nottingham were grateful that they were not denied the opportunity to sing along with some of their legends from the 1970’s pop charts.

Stepping into Gest’s shoes as compere was Freda Payne who opened with her hit Band Of Gold, and had this audience immediately on their feet. Other acts followed with hit after hit. There was Melba Moore with This Is It, and relative youngster Junior Giscombe running around the auditorium with a very upbeat Mama Used To Say. The Tymes induced a mass sing along with Ms Grace as they followed the delicate Fern Kinney who treated us to her massive hit, Together We Are Beautiful.

Gwen Dickey of Rose Royce fame, now confined to a wheel chair, slowed things down with the beautiful Wishing On A Star before upping the tempo again with Car Wash.

Finishing the first set was Russell Thompkins Jnr who needed no introduction to an audience who were by now firmly on the road to nostalgia. The voice of The Stylistics was still there for all to hear as his distinctive falsetto drove home a medley of hits such as Rockin’ Roll Baby, You Make Me Feel Brand New and Stone In Love With You.

The second set saw Deniece Williams pay tribute to both David Gest and Billy Paul who passed away a few weeks after Gest, with a moving a capella verse from Prince’s Nothing Compares 2 U before the audience were up on their feet for Let’s Hear It For The Boy.

Next up was show stealer Dina Carroll who sang The Perfect Dream to a shocked male from the audience before Ain’t No Man finished her set which had showcased her still fabulous voice. Bringing the evening to a close was Peabo Bryson with an audience walk about during an epic and emotive rendition of the Leon Russell classic, A Song For You.

With a crowd outside waiting for the second performance, these artists were not to be hurried as they all came back on stage for a rousing Ain’t Nobody showing that soul is still alive in us all.

Imad Handi, David Gest’s best friend, producer and former bodyguard, chats with Kevin Cooper about his friendship with David Gest, the man behind the reality TV shows, his fondness for The Tymes and the forthcoming A Tribute To David Gest Tour.

Imad Handi first met David Gest many years ago when he initially provided security for him. They soon became firm friends as they went on to co-produce Michael Jackson: 30^th Anniversary Special in 2001. He has also assisted in the production of The Legends Of Soul Tours which involve a number of Soul artists touring the country.

After a contestant in the Big Brother house mistakenly believed that an announcement about the death of David Bowie was a reference instead to the death of David Gest, the tour was renamed David Gest Is Not Dead But Alive With Soul. Unfortunately, he did pass away on 12^th April 2016, and Handi is now the producer of the re-named A Tribute To David Gest Tour.

Whilst busy preparing for the forthcoming shows, Imad Handi took the time to have a chat with Kevin Cooper and this is what he had to say.

Imad, good morning how are you today?

I’m fine thank you Kevin how are you?

I am very well thank you and let me just thank you for taking the time to speak to me today.

It’s my pleasure and thank you for being interested in the show.

Before we move on, may I pass on my condolences at David’s passing.

Thank you Kevin.

I actually met David three years ago at Butlins when he bought the Legends Of Soul Tour over here to the UK.

Oh god, did you really (laughter). I remember that tour really well and let me tell you, we all had a whole load of fun up there at Butlins (laughter). We really did enjoy playing the Butlins circuit. I have to tell you that considering what we got paid for putting on the show, we did actually go over budget on it, but David and the rest of the guys covered it anyway. We all simply wanted the show to continue. We felt that we had to put the show on because that way Butlins might, just might ask us to come back the following year and they did (laughter). We were very well looked after and the whole experience was truly amazing.

I’m a big soulie at heart and for me to be able to see and hear that many of my heroes performing together in the same room and at the same time was totally amazing.

I can relate to that because I grew up listening to soul music. In fact I was listening to soul music back in the 80s, long before I knew David and for me to actually meet and eventually work with every single person who I used to love as a child was just a dream come true. I feel honoured that I can now call these people, these heroes of mine, personal friends. If you were to speak to any of the artists that we work with they will all tell you the exact same thing; we are all family. For me, it simply was a dream come true.

One last point about David before we move on. When I met him I found him to be a very complex person in that he was very humble but also larger than life. Would you agree with that?

Yes I would. David was very humble, for example you would never see him driving around in a Rolls Royce with a chauffeur. He was far happier jumping into a Datsun and as long as it got him from A to B he simply didn’t care. As long as he was allowed to sit in the front seat and have a cigarette he didn’t care what he was seen in (laughter). To David a car was just a car, he simply didn’t care. On the odd occasion that David did have to use a chauffeur, for a TV show or a gala event, he would never sit in the back, he would always be up front talking to the driver.

David was never one for showing off and you would never hear him say “I’ve got this” or “I’ve got that” he was never like that. David’s suits cost ten thousand pounds each but nobody ever knew that (laughter). He was, as you have said, a very humble human being and not many people will be aware that David was hugely proud of the fact that he had raised more than thirty million pounds for charity over a forty year period.

How did the two of you meet?

David and I actually met by accident many years ago (laughter). At the time he was looking for some personal security and I was running a security agency back then in the late 90s. So I met David and he became a client of mine, and our friendship simply took off from there. I have to tell you that David was one of the hardest people to work with because he suffered from Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD). Before you could really work with him you first had to understand him. I would put numerous people to work with him and everyone one of them said that they couldn’t do it. David’s OCD was simply too much for them to cope with.

So after trying unsuccessfully for a couple of months I took on the role of David’s security. I didn’t want to lose him as a client so I thought that the best thing for me to do was to handle the situation myself. And from the first moment David and I really did get along. With my help his OCD appeared to improve and I have to say that going into the jungle helped him immensely. We laughed about the jungle because I told him that I didn’t think that he would last longer than one night in there (laughter). In fact he really did surprise me and he actually lasted the whole month.

Whilst he was in the jungle he asked me to stay in local accommodation because he thought that he would only be in there for a few days. I remember when he came out of the jungle, he walked straight up to me and said “Imad when I went into the jungle I gave you my pin number for my credit card, how much did you spend” (laughter). I looked him in the eyes and said “David, I have spent ten thousand pounds” (laughter). You should have seen his face. Then I said “don’t worry I have just got you a million pound contract with the ITV” and he just started laughing. At that time we were very close friends and we had that trust between us. He would always be giving me his credit card and saying “use it for whatever you need, just let me know how much you spend, and make sure that you keep your receipts”. However, I have to tell you that he did make me work very hard after that (laughter).

The thing with David was that if you were his bodyguard then you were also his producer as he never had a full team of people. It became David and me. I always stayed in the background and there was a mutual trust between us. We ended becoming like brothers.

I have to ask, were there any A List celebrities that didn’t know David?

What can I say, David came from Los Angeles royalty. If you go back into the history of David Gest you will see that David was in fact a self-made millionaire who came from a normal working family. At a very young age David had the ambition to be famous. David would often tell the story about when he was young he was a huge fan of Sonny and Cher. One day he took his sister and he knocked on Cher’s front door. David actually managed to persuade Cher to let him and his sister into her home and give them milk and cookies (laughter). What you have to remember is that this is David Gest as a child (laughter).

Sometime later David went along to a Sonny and Cher gig and he managed to get himself backstage because he convinced the security and management that he and Cher were cousins (laughter). He just had that ambition. Also David idolised Petula Clark. Hers was the very first poster that he had on his bedroom wall. Needless to say that later in his life he was in fact the best friend of Petula Clark. He had this amazing ability to turn his dreams into reality. He turned every dream that he ever had into reality. What you should remember is that David was the press officer for The Jacksons when he was only fifteen years old. And from there it never stopped.

He setup his own PR Company, became Al Green’s manager, and the next thing you know he had a full list of his own clients. Everybody wanted to work with David.

As interesting a character as David was, we really must speak about the forthcoming tour. You are bringing the show back again to the Albert Hall here in Nottingham on Wednesday 13^th July. It is now being billed as ‘A Tribute to David Gest & Honouring Billy Paul hosted by Freda Payne’. Do you think that David would approve?

Yes we are, that’s correct. We had such an amazing time in Nottingham last year, we really do all love being in Nottingham. It is such an amazing venue; an amazing show and we really did enjoy it which is one of the reasons that we are coming back again this year. David was extremely proud of the tour together with the artists who appeared on it. Everyone who knew David believes that David is not dead, but that his soul is still alive and well in that music. About two months before he died he actually told me that if something was to happen to him that I was to make sure that the tour still went ahead.

David was adamant that the tour would go ahead regardless of whether anything was to happen to him. Now, after his death we have rebranded the tour by turning it into a tribute to David Gest and also by honouring the late Billy Paul who sadly literally passed away a week after David. The only thing that we have changed on the tour is that we have now added Junior Giscombe since the passing of Billy Paul. Hopefully that will bring a new light to the show. I have to say that every one of the artists who is taking part in this tour are there to pay tribute and their respects to David Gest.

We also want to let all of the fans know that we all really do appreciate the love and support that they have shown over the years. I just hope that people will come out and help us pay tribute to his legacy. We just appreciate the fact that we had him around for all these years. David was somebody who wanted to be accepted and wanted to be loved and that is what we want to bring out in the show.

Am I to take it that you enjoy your time here in Nottingham?

I can always remember having a great deal of fun up there in Nottingham; the venue was quirky, it wasn’t too big and we all thought that there were just the right amount of people in there, and the people just loved the show. Everyone connected with the show really did have a good time. We did find it difficult getting out of the venue due to the number of people who wanted autographs and to simply talk to their idols. I can remember me and David ordering Mexican food from a place just around the corner from the venue (laughter). I think that David had found the Mexican restaurant during one of his many visits to the city; he loved Nottingham.

I see that a certain Ms Freda Payne has stepped into the breach and will be the Master Of Ceremonies for the evening in David’s absence.

Yes that’s correct. Freda is such a lovely person. During the evening she will be telling stories about the real David Gest. We will be trying to take away the celebrity feel and fakeness of the music business and hopefully let the audience have a proper insight into the real David. I personally feel that a lot of the fans will appreciate the opportunity to get to know a little about the man they have come to love so dearly. Freda will be doing that job but I do have it on good authority that she will not be telling dirty jokes like David did on previous tours (laughter). We will be aiming to show you on this tour just who the real David Gest was.

I think that I know the answer to the next question from the tone of your voice but I will ask it anyway, are you looking forward to bringing the show back to the UK?

Oh yes, very much so. I have been producing all of the tours since back in 2003 and I also co-produced the hugely successful Michael Jackson: 30^th Anniversary Special back in 2001 which reunited Michael Jackson and The Jacksons. One of the things that people never knew was that David never had a huge workforce. It was always just me and David; that was just how we used to work. It was for that reason that the artists on this tour asked me to step into David’s shows and that is just what I did. I want to continue his legacy. This may sound strange but it feels amazing whenever I see people walking out of these shows crying. That means that they have reconnected with the artists together with the songs which must mean that we are doing something right.

I had heard that this tour was in fact going to be David’s last tour ever. Is there any truth in that?

That is absolutely a hundred percent correct. Many people won’t know this but yes, as you have pointed out, this was in fact going to be David’s farewell tour which in typical David style, he was going to announce whilst he was on tour. He had taken the decision to call it a day simply because it was all getting far too much for him; he was getting older, weaker and was having longer bouts of sickness. He just wanted to retire, sit back and rest. That is one of the reasons why I want these tours to continue as a tribute to him. I have given it a lot of thought and I will be organising six more tours over the next two years, all in tribute to David.

He really did leave an iconic legacy behind and we are now getting calls from all over the world and in particular Los Angeles who want us to take the show there. So we are currently looking at taking the show abroad. If people want us then we are happy to travel.

There are lots of my heroes on the tour, so putting you on the spot, do you have a favourite?

If I am being honest with you, yes I do. One of David’s favourite songs was a song called Ms. Grace by The Tymes; he loved it. I can remember when we first bought The Tymes over to the UK, David and I met them in the lobby of the hotel and he said to them “you are going to sing Ms. Grace to me right now” (laughter). They had no music, no backing and he made them sing it for him. For The Tymes to sing Ms. Grace to David was yet again another dream come true for him. Now that I have been listening to the guys singing on the tour one of my favourite songs is So Much In Love.

At that time I didn’t really know The Tymes so I started researching all of their music. It was then that I realised that it was them that sang both Ms. Grace and So Much In Love (laughter). I remembered the song because it was covered by All-4-One back in the day and growing up in the 90s I really loved All-4-One. So when I realised that it was The Tymes who had originally recorded the song I asked them if they would sing it for me acapella (laughter). So as you can no doubt see from my answer, I really do love The Tymes.

However having said that, you cannot help but love all of the music by the stars who are performing on the show. What you have to remember is that these people are getting old. In the last year we have lost David Gest, Billy Paul, Percy Sledge, Ben E. King and Jimmy Ruffin to name but a few. Each and every one of them was part of the David Gest family and they have all toured with us for many, many years. We are bringing these legends together but these legends simply do not last forever.

When all of you are travelling around the country on the tour bus it must, at times, feel like it did back in the days of the Motown tours?

It’s funny you saying that because I remember one particular moment last year when everyone who was on the coach looked at each other and actually said that the whole experience reminded them very much of the Motown tours back in the day where they would travel from city to city all packed together in the coach. At the time we were watching a documentary film about The Temptations and the movie bought back so many memories for everyone. If you look at it now some fifty years later we are all still sitting on that coach going from gig to gig.

Now between you, me and this phone call and I promise you that it won’t go any further, just who are the backstage divas?

(Laughter) backstage divas…there was only one and that was David (laughter). Believe me there are always a few backstage divas and some of them even managed to get under my skin so much that I would take David to one side and whisper “David, they really are pissing me off” (laughter). David would at that point go over and deal with the situation, and he would bring them down a peg or two.

On that note Imad let me once again thank you for taking the time to speak to me. It’s been a pleasure.

Not at all Kevin, thank you very much. Give me a shout when you get to the venue and I will take you backstage so that you can meet everyone. You take care and bye for now.

Freda Payne, singer, chats with Kevin Cooper about her friendship with the late David Gest, working with Sir Cliff Richard, not signing with Motown and her forthcoming appearance on The David Gest Tribute Show

Freda Payne is an American Soul and R’n’B singer and actress best known for her million selling 1970 hit single, Band Of Gold. Born in Detroit, Michigan, she grew up listening to different jazz singers, such as Ella Fitzgerald and Billie Holiday. In 1963, she moved to New York City and worked with many different entertainers, including Quincy Jones, Pearl Bailey, and Bill Cosby

In 1969, her old friends back home in Detroit, Brian Holland, Lamont Dozier, and Edward Holland, Jr, persuaded her to sign with their newly formed record label Invictus. Shortly thereafter, Eddie Holland offered her a song entitled Band Of Gold and in early 1970, the song became an instant pop smash reaching number three in the US and number one in the UK for six consecutive weeks; it also gave Payne her first gold record with global sales estimated at two million.

In 2011 Payne recorded a duet, Saving A Life, with Sir Cliff Richard for inclusion on his Soulicious album. She also joined him on his Soulicious tour of the UK in October of the same year.

Whilst busy getting ready to come over to the UK, she took the time to have a chat with Kevin Cooper and this is what she had to say.

Ms Payne good morning how are you today?

I am fine thank you Kevin, how are you?

I am very well thank you and let me just thank you for taking the time to speak to me today.

You are most welcome and it is my absolute pleasure. Thank you for still being interested in what I am doing.

And just how is life treating Freda Payne today?

Do you know what, life hasn’t been so bad, in fact I’m fine and things have been really good of late. God willing my health is good and more to the point I still have my voice together with the fact that I still have my enthusiasm to perform. It’s great to wake up and think that I am alive and that I am in good health.

You will be visiting us here in Nottingham with The David Gest Tribute Show on Wednesday 13^th July. Are you looking forward to the tour?

Yes I am, I really am. I am very much looking forward to the tour because David would have wanted this tour to go on. David would have wanted us to continue to perform especially as he was the one who put this tour together. He was the one who embraced all of the performers who he wanted to have performing on his show and who he had a lot of respect for. The people on the tour are the people who David had thought were good entertainers who sang bona fide hits and who had number one hits over there in the UK. So yes, I am most definitely looking forward to the tour and because I love it so much over there in England, I will in fact be arriving in the UK on the 29^th of June.

I have to ask you, just how did you and David meet?

Oh my god, David and I met way back in 1973 here in Los Angeles where David was born. As you know I was born up in Detroit and I came down to live in Los Angeles in 1971. David had somehow gotten hold of my number and he had started calling me and sending me Al Green albums from London Records. He then started taking me to the Whisky A Go Go on Sunset Boulevard and I remember one day he invited me to go with him to the Whisky to see The Moody Blues (laughter). After that David invited me to go with him to see The Doobie Brothers, and we just became very good friends.

He just kept calling me and inviting me out. He would take me out to dinner and to the movies. This was all happening in the days before David became a record producer. A little while later Al Green helped David start up his own PR Company. And that is how we met.

What would your one lasting memory be of David?

Oh my god, I have so many lasting memories of David. Ok, if I had to pick just one it would have to be when David produced that last concert for Michael Jackson at Madison Square Garden in 2001. There were two concerts; one on the Friday and one on the following Monday which would have been September 10^th. The next morning 9/11 happened. Michael’s concert became a filmed TV special, which David actually won awards for and I was so proud of him.

Also, thinking about lasting memories, I would have to include the moment that David told me that he was going to propose to Liza Minelli. He told me that he was going to take Liza up onto the roof of her apartment building and propose to her. I looked David straight in the eyes and asked him if he thought that she was going to say yes, and he simple said that if she was going to say no that he wouldn’t think about that (laughter). David was a person that for some reason made you pay attention to whatever it was that he was saying. He was very good at throwing you off guard and was also very good at telling you a story that simply was not true (laughter).

He would tell you a story in such a skilful way that you would think that it was true and it would be some time before you realised that it was a crock (laughter). David was a great story teller especially stories that had a nutty twist to them.

Without getting too maudlin will you also be paying respect to the late Billy Paul?

I simply can’t believe that both David and Billy passed away almost within days of each other. I simply can’t believe it. Billy was eighty years old but you would never have known it. Billy was on the last tour back in October when we were all together and David would always have Billy on his tours, always. I have become so accustomed to seeing Billy on the shows that it was just a given that Billy would always be there. He was also booked to be with us on the forthcoming tour of the UK. However, although David and Billy will not be there, let me tell you that both of them will be there in spirit.

I see that you have stepped into David’s role and that you will be the MC for the evening. Are you looking forward to cracking the whip and keeping the other artists in order?

(Laughter) Yes I will be hosting the show but not for the entire evening. My hosting duties cover only the first half of the show. Those duties for the second half of the show will be passed over to Peabro Bryson and Deneice Williams because David was very close with Peabro and he had known Deneice for almost as long as he had known me. I’m not going to be a comedian like David nor will I be telling dirty jokes (laughter). I am just going to come out onto the stage and simply be me.

In 2011 you recorded a duet with Sir Cliff Richard for inclusion on his Soulicious album and you also joined him on his Soulicious tour of the UK. How was that?

I loved recording with Cliff. First of all he is so easy to work with; he is a gentleman beyond reproach. And secondly he is the kindest person that you would ever want to be associated with. I personally hold Sir Cliff in high esteem. It was great, in fact it was David who had put together Sir Cliff’s Soulicious tour. Sir Cliff and I recorded Saving A Life which was released as a single and I think that because I love that song so much, I will probably be performing it on the forthcoming tour. A point of interest for you is that the song Saving A Life was written for Sir Cliff by Bo Dozier who is the eldest son of Lamont Dozier of Holland, Dozier and Holland fame at both Motown and Invictus.

I last saw you performing here in Nottingham two years ago now with The Temptations and The Four Tops and I have to say that you were sounding as good as ever.

Oh that’s great, thank you. I remember the tour very well; it really was a great tour. My association with The Temptations goes way back and I know that the only original member still touring is Otis Williams but they still are a great group. I remember The Four Tops back when I was a teenager and I am going back as far as the fifties now (laughter). I was twelve years old while the guys were all in their late teens. I knew those guys even before they went off to Motown to sign for Berry Gordy. Now there is only one Top left and that is Abdul ‘Duke’ Fakir but still they carry on and perform and they are just as great as ever. So you got to see one of those shows Kevin did you, that’s great.

Now I can’t speak to Ms Freda Payne without mentioning a certain record can I?

(Laughter) no I suppose you can’t. I recorded Band Of Gold back in 1969 in Detroit and I remember that when I first heard the music I thought that it was a great track. However, then I started reading the lyrics and when I got to the line ‘that night on our honeymoon, we stayed in separate rooms’ I said that I thought that the song wasn’t about a mature woman at all but that it would better suit a fifteen or sixteen year old girl. The guys just looked at me and said “you don’t have to like it, just sing it” (laughter). And that as they say is how I came to record Band Of Gold (laughter).

I have to say that I personally think that the song is timeless.

It is timeless and can I tell you that back then if you had told me that that record was going to become timeless I would have said “you’ve got to be crazy. No one is going to want to play that record fifty years from now. Come on give me a break” (laughter).

What was it like working with The Funk Brothers, Lamont Dozier and brothers Brian and Eddie Holland?

Well, first of all I knew all of those guys because we were all born and raised in Detroit. I knew Lamont from way back when we were at middle school together and Brian and I had some of the same classes together in High School. I first met Eddie when I was fourteen years old when he visited our home along with Berry Gordy Jr. This was way before Motown had even started out. So I already knew these guys. The Funk Brothers were just a bunch of local musicians in Detroit and they played on almost every single Motown record that was ever recorded.

Even after Holland Dozier and Holland left Motown to form their own label Invictus they would still hire The Funk Brothers to play on their songs. They would hire them for a session or two (laughter).

To me, a lifelong fan of Motown, I feel that Band Of Gold is as close to a Motown song that you can get. Would you agree with that?

Yes I believe that you are right about that. That is absolutely correct.

With that in mind I have to ask, why did Freda Payne never sign for Motown?

(Laughter) ok, I will tell you why. When I was fourteen years old I was Berry Gordy’s first female protégé and then in 1983 he publically said that I was the one person who had inspired him to do what he had to do with Motown. He said that he had seen what he could do with female artists when he was working with me at fourteen years old. What happened was that my mother would not let me sign for him because she would not agree with his business terms. And then some ten years later it happened again.

I had the opportunity to join him at Motown when the company was established and yet again, he didn’t allow artists to renegotiate their contracts and I wanted to renegotiate my contract simple as that. That’s what happened.

In 2014 you recorded your album, Come Back to Me Love and I have to tell you that I absolutely love it.

Oh you love it, I want to hug you (laughter). That album is an expression; a work of art that I have been wanting to do for over twenty years now. I started out as a jazz artist when I was sixteen years old and sang with big bands. Over the years I have recorded a lot of R‘n‘B music, a lot of pop music together with Broadway musicals, but when I was given the opportunity to record this album I jumped at the opportunity. It gave me a chance to do songs that I have always wanted to do.

Were you happy with how well it was received?

I was extremely happy. I was as they say, over the moon with the reaction to the album (laughter). The whole album was orchestrated by Bill Cunliff who also played the piano on the album. Bill did such a magnificent job with the album for me. It has such wonderful string arrangements.

My favourite track on the album is You’d Be So Nice To Come Home To; I think that it is fantastic.

As you probably know that particular song is a Cole Porter standard, and I loved singing that track. It was a joy for me to be in a position to sing that song. I have two favourite tracks on the album, Save Your Love For Me and The Island. I tend to sing more jazz now because at my maturity it makes more sense for me to do more jazz now. However, I still do stuff from the pop era plus Band Of Gold (laughter).

I see that you have recently been acting in a couple of films. Is that something that you would like to get into more?

Whilst the majority of my career has been singing, over the years I have done quite a lot of acting. I have been in a few films where I have had a bit part or a cameo role. I have also acted in a couple of plays and I have to say, yes, I can do acting (laughter). First and foremost I’m a singer but I can do acting too. What I would really like to do and it is something that I am looking to do, is host a talk show. I would really like to take part in Celebrity Big Brother, the show that David did, that would be fun. David told me that he didn’t want to do it but he did it (laughter).

What would you say has been the highlight of your career so far?

To be honest I have had quite a few highlights and to pick out a single one is almost impossible. I would like to think that I haven’t had that greatest highlight yet.

What next for Freda Payne?

After the tour I intend to come home and get on with a few projects that I have in mind but nothing to tell you about, not yet (laughter). I am looking forward because as I said, the best is yet to come.

On that note let me once again thank you for taking the time to speak to me.

Thank you very much Kevin, and I look forward to seeing you over there in Nottingham. Bye for now.